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Seriously, you should have stopped about 2 posts ago.
Your youthful ignorance is running away with you.
I know you think you sound knowledgeable and you think you're putting in a good argument (because honestly, really who wouldn't make sex the number one 100% top priority in their entire lives forever and ever), but seriously you're so off mark you really should stop.
And I never said that wasn't the case in a lot of these instances, sure it is. What I AM saying that it comes down to a boring sex life and I blame that on the guy a lot because well we can be lazy as **** and selfish when it comes to sex. It could range from a number of problems, never disputed that, but still think that with age it just gets boring because the crazy stuff you do when you're young or the willingness disappears with age. I think that a lot of the desire can be brought back without a pill and you all call my generation lazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by SBG
Geez you guys, I'm not saying this **** is fact, scientifically proven or anything. Its what I think and I do believe it is true a thousand times more than people want to admit. I'm speaking generally also, not directed at anyone. Effort equals a much better sex life (from my age to your dead) and that I will always believe.
Okay, sure. Though nothing I've said has been proven wrong, I've agreed with you on several things and made it clear that I'm generally speaking - because its not the case with you, doesn't mean its not the case for a lot of relationships. I've only said that my side(men) need to do more and that'd go along way, but no, that's silly youth talking. :rolleyes: and no one is saying make it #1 priority, 'don't pay your bills because you need to do it', I'm saying a lot more reponsibility could be taken and effort put in instead of taking pill and thinking that will solve the problem...when in reality, its a personal problem that can be fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by imported_elp6n
Actually EVERYTHING you have said has been proven wrong,and there's literally thousands of medical professionals out there who have the documentation through extensive research to prove it. To say that this happens because "The men aren't trying hard enough/putting in the effort" is absolutely absurd. In time you'll learn though. IT IS NOT a personal problem that can be fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
Edit: My last post on this today (headed out to work)
You are going on all you have right now R13 which is personal experience. Things like worrying about how you are going to pay the bills/put food on the table have a whole lot to do with this. In this day and age most young adults around here aren't burdened with this because Mommy and Daddy are still taking care of them. In the prior generation,when you were 20,often you were making a living,and had your own place. Look around and see just how many are still in the nest nowadays (not that there's anything wrong with getting help if you are continuing an education mind you-parents want their kids to do better than they have). The girls you are with are in this group. Seriously man how many of these girls are 100% independent,paying their own bills,driving a car that they pay for,living in a pad they pay for?. If I lived that kind of carefree life,I'd scrog 24/7,but responsibility doesn't allow us that kind of time. I enjoy the bedroom magic as much as any,but am wise enough to know that it's not always going to happen on the snap of the fingers,and am wise enough to know the reasons why. The stress level is nowhere near the same.
Really? Because I must have missed those posts. Prove which part wrong? Which part? That they have a lower sex drive when they get older? Of course they do. I wouldn't want to say I suck a having sex either or that I'm too lazy to do little things to make it better instead of gettting in and out. Sucks to admit, but I'd lay good money down its the case of millions - that its boring and not enjoyable. For the umpteenth time, I'm not saying its the explanation for everyone or close to it, though some of you keep getting that of what I'm saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unchained
Obviously my words will continue to be twisted, it'll be written off as youth and could NEVER be an explanation because that's actually taking responsibility for something embarrassing like this would be to admit. So I get it, not surprising. Oh well.
Not the explanation for everyone? But you'd lay good money down it's the case of millions. You say what you say isn't scientifically proven and there are studies to refute your belief. Just google it and do a LOT of reading. Men get lazy? When it comes to sex? LMFFAO!!! Lots of men have medical problems that interfere with their performance. And I'm not talking about things medications like viagra can help with. For the vast majority of people in this age range they don't get lazy. Almost all men are readily willing to do it anytime, anywhere, and any how. Ever see an elderly man married to a woman in her 20s or 30s? She may do it to be a gold digger. But why else would he want to do it? LOL Yeah, the women are in control. We can't do it forcibly without going to jail over it. It's not that men in our age range don't try. We do. We try like like hell. Why do you think we are so bothered by not getting it whenever we want it? But you're entire argument is laughable. If just adding excitement would fix it this would have been cured decades ago. I'm sorry but you are just not old, smart, or experienced enough to comment on this topic. And by experienced I don't mean how much sex you've had. Women have lives, jobs, medical problems, children, etc. that actually bring down the desire in a medically proven way. I'm not trying to put words in your posts or twist your words around. I'm actually trying to help you see the error of your thinking. But if you won't listen, because you're 20 and seem to think you know everything (we all were), then I have no recourse but to give up on you. Prove me wrong, please.
Yes exactly. Everyone isn't millions and millions isn't everyone, 7 billion people in the world. And no its not and I didn't say the studies disprove what I said, I said they say the sex drive is lower with age, I agree...my theory is why its lower, really with married couples mainly with this problem. Their sex life gets boring over time generally, that's not true? And a boring sex life would lower the desire for sex, correct? That's what I'm saying, that it can be fixed without a pill if more effort was put into spicing things up - that's not something I come up with, that's from reading and really common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by SBG
You're not getting what I'm saying. I'm not saying they're lazy when it comes to attempting to have sex, I'm saying the act itself. Doing the same old ****, same old position etc etc will turn any woman off...I'm talking about the laziness once its started, trying new things or hell just something beside 2 positions would do wonders...along with other things a guy can do before hand or just for her, guys my age hardly even care about that, its probably so much worse as you get older when the willingness to try new things or different things go down. Selfishness and laziness, the get in, get off, get out is going to make a woman not have sex with you since its just pleasurable for you. That's common sense and the guys fault.
Of course some guys have conditions, sure, but the majority aren't in bad enough shape at 40 to not have sex. There's only so much you can blame on medical things, that happens all too often these days, when it can be solved the 'old fashion' way. We as a society has just become too lazy, even when it comes to sex. This pill should be a last resort, just like you said 'if it were that easy it would have been solved decades ago', well this pill would have also would be farther along that just getting consideration from the FDA now...there's a reason for that and it sure isn't anything new.
There's obviously things like kids and such that does change things a lot, that's a fact. Sex is still the best stress reliever there is and is healthier for you, it does nothing but help a marriage if the effort is there - less stress equals happiness, less chance for infedelity and makes a couple closer...again not something I come up with, just common knowlege. An exciting sex life equals a good sex life which equals a better marriage, its up there with financial stability. Honestly I understand how everyone wants to blame it on something that's beyond their control, its like with obesity and ADHD, generally it comes down to personal responsibility and things the person can do...this isn't any different a lot of times, sucks to admit, but the fact remains.
I've made my point, its been called stupid but not debunked really at all. Its an opinion, with really a lot of it is common sense that's hard to accept, so I'll leave it alone. Lmao
I never said what you were saying was wrong or stupid. I agree that there's a lot of couples out there that your belief would fix. But the vast majority isn't in that boat. So maybe you're misunderstanding me, as well. You may have read about what you've commented on but you haven't read about what everybody else is saying. And then you complain that we're all misunderstanding and you've not given us the clear implication that you're even remotely considering what we say is true. If you have I missed it. Do you consider your thinking to apply for something like erectile dysfunction? That maybe if the woman spiced it up more that he'd get excited enough to get it up whenever? And the vast majority of men who do try to have sex would do whatever it took to excite their partner if that's all it took. I mentioned that. We'd do it anywhere (different location), any time (day or night, maybe combined with the anywhere or any how), or any how (toys, positions, etc.). And through all of this the best thing you said was "it's an opinion." Which means you could be entirely wrong. And while you've not been debunked you've not been doing any debunking. Find some material about it and post it here. I think anybody who has commented in this thread wouldn't mind eating crow or just admitting your opinion has some truth to it. You can't keep going on complaining and accusing of things you do yourself. I'll even go on record as stating I know you're a good kid and intelligent enough to understand what we're saying. You just have to accept that you're not experienced enough to completely understand what has been said. And there's not a problem in accepting that. We all do sooner or later about many more subjects than we'd like to admit. If nothing else, lets just agree to disagree and move on. I hope there's no hard feelings. If so, it wasn't my intention and I apologize.
No you didn't, you've definitely not, I should have made that clear...wasn't directed at you, but at a couple others really. I'll retract what I've said when I used the term "most", I shouldn't have used it, I think it's still a considerable amount though without a doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by SBG
It could be applied to ED, yes. I think it would be much rarer, but yes I do think that something like a level of attraction over the years could very well go down and effect that somewhat. The problem with that comparison is that ED is pretty much limited to a few physical things for the most part with heart problems, diabetes etc...but I think I read that there's been a lot that responded to placebo studies very well, so it could definitely be something like that...which is basically what I'm saying here with women, that this pill would really be a placebo effect more than anything IMO.
My reason for thinking this, is that there's a long list of psychological factors(longer than physical I believe) that decrease libido...and I think this is a huge one with couples that have been together for awhile. I know that there's physical issues when a woman gets older that lowers it, but there's also plenty of other factors that can be helped/fixed and IMO would do wonders instead of a pill.
You said to post somethings to back it up, I'll be looking for studies, but I typed in "increased female libido" and this is what you get...some examples like I've been saying, not a fix it all(but i'm claiming it is the total answer and definitely not everyones answer).
"Rent or purchase an erotic movie. It should be something more woman-friendly than typical porn. Choose a genre that brings your fantasies to life, depending on your preferences and inclinations."
How to Increase Female Libido Naturally | eHow.com
This one was a little longer, so the link, but says exactly what I'm saying.
How to Spice Up Your Sex Life
There's a few, have to sort for a million of ads for these pills like the OP stated. Just an example of what I'm trying to say. But yeah, let's agree to disagree haha. This requires long posts and I'm lazy, but definitely no hard feelings with anyone, just a forum and a disagreement...no biggie.
Big shocker, it doesn't work.
FDA: 'Female Viagra' results 'not compelling' - CNN.com